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		<title>By: Maia Hemlepp</title>
		<link>http://www.lazyllama.com/blog/archives/2004/01/23/sorbs-sucks/comment-page-1#comment-134436</link>
		<dc:creator>Maia Hemlepp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 22:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been reading out many of your articles and it&#039;s pretty clever stuff. I will definitely bookmark your site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been reading out many of your articles and it&#8217;s pretty clever stuff. I will definitely bookmark your site.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 07:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey there, I believe your weblog may be having browser compatibility issues. When I appear at your website in Safari, it looks fine but when opening in Internet Explorer, it has some overlapping. I just wanted to give you a quick heads up! Other then that, superb weblog!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey there, I believe your weblog may be having browser compatibility issues. When I appear at your website in Safari, it looks fine but when opening in Internet Explorer, it has some overlapping. I just wanted to give you a quick heads up! Other then that, superb weblog!</p>
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		<title>By: Noah Hobday</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noah Hobday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 02:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that is one of the such a lot important info for me. And i&#039;m satisfied reading your article. However want to statement on some basic issues, The site style is great, the articles is actually great : D. Good process, cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that is one of the such a lot important info for me. And i&#8217;m satisfied reading your article. However want to statement on some basic issues, The site style is great, the articles is actually great : D. Good process, cheers</p>
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		<title>By: upominki</title>
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		<dc:creator>upominki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 17:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do agree with all the ideas you&#039;ve presented in your post. They&#039;re really convincing and will definitely work. Still, the posts are very short for newbies. Could you please extend them a bit from next time? Thanks for the post!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do agree with all the ideas you&#8217;ve presented in your post. They&#8217;re really convincing and will definitely work. Still, the posts are very short for newbies. Could you please extend them a bit from next time? Thanks for the post!!</p>
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		<title>By: Brent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2010 01:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s August 20, 2010 and I just got blacklisted by SORBS.  I never even heard of them until my email got rejected and it said I&#039;ve been blacklisted.  I&#039;m just an individual and I&#039;m unemployed and I was trying to contact an employer thru email.  How can something like this exist?  I&#039;m shocked that something like this can even happen.   Someone in the government needs to step in and shut these jerks down. HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s August 20, 2010 and I just got blacklisted by SORBS.  I never even heard of them until my email got rejected and it said I&#8217;ve been blacklisted.  I&#8217;m just an individual and I&#8217;m unemployed and I was trying to contact an employer thru email.  How can something like this exist?  I&#8217;m shocked that something like this can even happen.   Someone in the government needs to step in and shut these jerks down. HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: tester</title>
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		<dc:creator>tester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are clearly extortionists. Plain and simple...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are clearly extortionists. Plain and simple&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 23:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used SORBS for two months as a RBL and it was painfull. My servers were working their a**es off scanning and dumping mail and nothing was getting through. There are many misconfigured email systems out there such as howardhanna.com (don&#039;t do a header check on them) and many others. These folks need to tighten things up, but SORBS is out to get everyone that thinks of spam. I bet if I opened a can of Spam my mail servers would be blocked.

I was also listed in dynamic IP space and had a static block allocated to be via AT&amp;T. Everything was fine for years until SORBS changed the rules and started blocking everything they felt didn&#039;t look right. They are trying to be a regulatory entity but they want to work alone and play by their own rules that can change at any time. This type of dictatorship doesn&#039;t work, hasn&#039;t worked and will never work.

The best we all can do is use legit RBL services, make sure our mail servers are configured to a reasonable standard and stay away from the disgusting practices employed by SORBS.  

Even if you try to be nice and work with them they come down on you like you wrote the virus that is sending millions of SPAM around the world. If they actually took measures to address the source of the problem I think they would be doing a good thing, however the choose to address the symptoms and not the root cause. Why should I donate $50 on behalf of a spammer, virus author, or someone who forged headers to look like they came from my mail system. They can&#039;t prove anything to warrant demanding donations for de-listing. They need a serious lession in ethics and then they need to go away.

Obviously I don&#039;t use SORBS and I completely openly recommend others do not use SORBS.

SORBS is not good people. Not good people at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used SORBS for two months as a RBL and it was painfull. My servers were working their a**es off scanning and dumping mail and nothing was getting through. There are many misconfigured email systems out there such as howardhanna.com (don&#8217;t do a header check on them) and many others. These folks need to tighten things up, but SORBS is out to get everyone that thinks of spam. I bet if I opened a can of Spam my mail servers would be blocked.</p>
<p>I was also listed in dynamic IP space and had a static block allocated to be via AT&amp;T. Everything was fine for years until SORBS changed the rules and started blocking everything they felt didn&#8217;t look right. They are trying to be a regulatory entity but they want to work alone and play by their own rules that can change at any time. This type of dictatorship doesn&#8217;t work, hasn&#8217;t worked and will never work.</p>
<p>The best we all can do is use legit RBL services, make sure our mail servers are configured to a reasonable standard and stay away from the disgusting practices employed by SORBS.  </p>
<p>Even if you try to be nice and work with them they come down on you like you wrote the virus that is sending millions of SPAM around the world. If they actually took measures to address the source of the problem I think they would be doing a good thing, however the choose to address the symptoms and not the root cause. Why should I donate $50 on behalf of a spammer, virus author, or someone who forged headers to look like they came from my mail system. They can&#8217;t prove anything to warrant demanding donations for de-listing. They need a serious lession in ethics and then they need to go away.</p>
<p>Obviously I don&#8217;t use SORBS and I completely openly recommend others do not use SORBS.</p>
<p>SORBS is not good people. Not good people at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 22:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To quote Joey at SORBS on 11/29/2008

I wrote:
&quot;Your business practices are defeating your purpose. I am an ISP look it up on ARIN&#039;s web site. Scan my servers, I am not paying your fine just so you can find some other SPAM that slipped through and fine me again. This is not a realistic practice.&quot;

Joey Western at SORBS wrote the following in two separate emails blaming me for sending SPAM. My servers conform and have conformed to the latest popular configurations including SPF. I use DNSStuff.com to maintain a check on DNS and my email system. Keep in mind I opened a ticked asking for help with de-listing and stating that I thought the $50 find to donain was unethical and poor business practice. You can&#039;t force people to donate money, what is the other word for that? It starts with a B....

&quot;These are the 2 headers from the spam you sent us that we are obviously to blame for right ? How about taking responsibility for your own problems and quite blaming SORBS the recipients of your rubbish .&quot;

&quot;SORBS does not have business practices , SORBS is not a Business it is a free service operated by volunteers. Our purpose is not self defeating&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To quote Joey at SORBS on 11/29/2008</p>
<p>I wrote:<br />
&#8220;Your business practices are defeating your purpose. I am an ISP look it up on ARIN&#8217;s web site. Scan my servers, I am not paying your fine just so you can find some other SPAM that slipped through and fine me again. This is not a realistic practice.&#8221;</p>
<p>Joey Western at SORBS wrote the following in two separate emails blaming me for sending SPAM. My servers conform and have conformed to the latest popular configurations including SPF. I use DNSStuff.com to maintain a check on DNS and my email system. Keep in mind I opened a ticked asking for help with de-listing and stating that I thought the $50 find to donain was unethical and poor business practice. You can&#8217;t force people to donate money, what is the other word for that? It starts with a B&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8220;These are the 2 headers from the spam you sent us that we are obviously to blame for right ? How about taking responsibility for your own problems and quite blaming SORBS the recipients of your rubbish .&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;SORBS does not have business practices , SORBS is not a Business it is a free service operated by volunteers. Our purpose is not self defeating&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its 2008 and SORBS still sucks!
How does an honest business get off their list?</description>
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How does an honest business get off their list?</p>
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		<title>By: Randolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 13:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I looked into SORBs, after 3 weeks i gave up, its complete rubbish compared to other RBLs. If you want more spam and errors. Use SORBS it sucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I looked into SORBs, after 3 weeks i gave up, its complete rubbish compared to other RBLs. If you want more spam and errors. Use SORBS it sucks.</p>
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